So how did such a project come from? You are now a figure of this world, in this kind of storytelling mold, if you like. Do people make you ideas? Do you still do the same research you did years ago and just stumble upon these things? Does your producer bring you ideas? How does it work?

It's kind of all of the above. Definitely reached the point when people put me on things. I'm not ... that's not actually true. There are two greats that we are in the process of production now, but before this - I had to say that I had not done it - but in terms of directing me, I have done nothing that I have just offered. And that includes a doctor with the green lighting of a streamer for the crypto-story of the moment. That's how, come on. I don't give up like *** about it. These things are so difficult to do. I have to be just crazy about Lovebube in them. So, we are looking for, Steven and I, and one of our really most faithful colleagues is the head of our research. His name is Lucas Cox. We see, and we see, and we see.

I happened to find this during the rabbit hole in December 2020. At that time I edited "Sasbach" and "Bob Ross" and I knew they would end next year. And I really love La Noir's stories - "Long Goodbye", "Sunset Boulevard", "Chinatone", "Muloland Disk" - I love these things and I've always wanted to do. And so, I just went to "La Noir in the form of a documentary", if you want, and I ended up on these old articles for La Times for this story. And was immediately hit with that thing, Oh, God, if I could do this, I feel like this is really, really special. But I knew it all depends on getting an interview with David Skins because I feel like if you want to tell a story like this and you really feel like you've gone deep and be worthy of someone's time, you have to have the guy.

So we wrote to him in prison and he pointed to the phone with my producer and he agreed to interview, if and when we entered the prison to shoot with him or if he came out, because he was on the table at that moment. He didn't know when, but he was on the table. And since it was really a top Kovid, no one entered the shooting prisons. And California specifically does not allow you to make requests for specific inmate interviews.

So I knew we wouldn't come in, and I needed, if this interview happened, to come out. And he didn't come out for two and a half years. We began to do this, in fact, by the end of 2021, and we were informed that he would have heard a probation by the end of 2022, which was an election year. Each governor will take away the probation of the probation that leads to the elections because they have to show that they are difficult for crime. This is what they all work in a particular capacity.

So much enough, his got up and really felt like, Wow, maybe I have something I just won't throw out and be on the hook with HBO and these people will only hate me and never work with me again. Then, about six months later, I drove, I just missed a friend. Runinge we had lunch and Steven called me, my partner for production and he said: "He comes out for the next 48 hours. He is given a probation." Therefore, we need to mobilize the crew immediately. I mean, my DP lives in a newuork. (David) was closed outside Sacramento. The next morning, Steven and I drove to Sacramento. People are on aircraft, people ride up, the equipment is checked from houses for rent, and by the next night, we sat in a hotel that just prepared.

In the morning, I can't remember what time we pulled out in the parking lot in the prison. I think it wasn't 4:30, but it was soon. It was probably around 5am. And we sat and sat and the sun comes out, and other people enter the parking lot waiting for a person waiting for it. And we see that correction officials get in to go to work for that day and some who check people in the administrative building. And finally, around 7:45 am, people come, and we look for and thought, Oh my God, there is he. And he sees us and he has a big smile on his face and he points to us, and we are rolling all the time. And he got into the car, and I don't even know that we were three minutes on the way out of the prison parking lot, when he just raised the morgue, the creams alone, I don't want to say everything, but in order not to ask a question, he grew up a lot. And I just thought, Holy f ***, this will be crazy for a few days.

Man, it's an incredible story.